On Kerry’s {{yuck yuck}} “Joke”

Posted: November 2, 2006 in Blitherings

In case you hadn’t heard, apparently the former presidential candidate made a few “joking” remarks to the effect that if you didn’t study hard, and work the system, you could get “stuck in Iraq.”  Essentially suggesting, at least to me, that the people in Iraq were somehow not smart enough to keep themselves from getting sent over there?

Maybe Kerry might want to take a little gander at the casualty stats…and see the relatively high number of officers on the list.  ALL of whom have college degrees (it’s a requirement in order to get commissioned).  You’d think “LT” Kerry would know that.

Or maybe look at the stats on how many troops are taking correspondence college credit courses in addition to their full workload.

But more to the point, his view seems to be that a “smart” person would use their liberal education and connections to educate himself on ways to avoid military service — the very thing he has repeatedly accused Pres. Bush of trying to do!  So which is it, Sen. Kerry?  Is it the right answer to use your Ivy League education to avoid military service?  Is failing to somehow avoid an overseas deployment a mark of an ill-considered and ill-prepared life plan?

Or is using your Ivy League education to be released early from your National Guard obligations in order to run for public office reprehensible, perhaps even criminal? 

Hypocrisy, anyone?

Update:  According to Joe, I am being willfully intellectually dishonest.  In all honesty, I will admit more to editorial laziness than purposeful (self)deception in taking other blog posts and news snippets at face value without investigating further. Okay then, according to a CNN article:

Kerry was supposed to say, “I can’t overstress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don’t study, if you aren’t smart, if you’re intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq.”

And what he actually ended up saying:

“You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.”

I will admit that, based on what I’ve read, it’s likely that Kerry was really only trying to slam Bush and play up the somewhat threadbare “Bush is a goofy idiot” thing.  So, he was “only” going to insult the President of the United States.  Of course, that’s been done so much as to be really quite passe’ anymore.  But with Kerry, you stick with what works, right?

I guess part of the humor is that in the process of impugning someone else’s intelligence, he manages to pull off a pretty good Homer Simpson himself.

  1. Joe says:

    He wasn’t calling the troops stupid. He was talking about the Administration. But, his delievery of the joke was terrible and his timing awful.

    Where the hell did Kerry say use education to avoid military service? You’re being intellectually dishonest and you know it.

  2. Steve B says:

    I checked out the link, Joe. I can’t say that I put Kerry’s bile- filled spite in the same category as Bush’s self-deprecating (if somewhat tasteless) admission that the WMD’s weren’t there.

    I also check out the little political ad that was linked. Talk about intellectually dishonest, Joe!

  3. Joe says:

    Steve, I love the update and think you nailed it there. Kerry tried to insult Bush (something the neocons pefected with Clinton) and made himself out to look like an ass. Kerry is not a joke teller and is horrible when he goes off script (a la Bush). But, for people to say he was insulting the troops is crazy.

    As far as the political link on that site…I didn’t see it and didn’t post it for that reason. Just wanted to show that Dems don’t have a monopoly on tasteless jokes.

    I like what former GOP Congressman Dick Armey said about this Kerry gaffe:

    On the October 31 edition of MSNBC’s Hardball, Armey said of the attacks on Kerry’s remarks, “Well, it’s pretty standard fare in political discourse. You misconstrue what somebody said. You isolate a statement, you lend your interpretation to it and then feign moral outrage.” When host Chris Matthews stated that Kerry “was trashing Bush,” Armey responded, “Right,” and went on to say, “A fundamental premise of politics is we can make this work if people just never figure it out.”


    It’s not about “protecting the troops”. It’s about scoring cheap political points. Both sides do it and it is disgusting. I hate seeing our troops being used as fodder for the campaigns.

  4. Steve B says:

    btw, the “intellectually dishonest” crack was about the ad itself…

  5. Joe says:

    I gotcha Steve-O. Once wise-ass crack deserves another eh? 😉

  6. Kateland says:

    Spin it out however, but Kerry comes from the intellectual base that despises the military and he has been disparaging the military for years. I recall watching Kerry’s testimony before a US senate committee suggesting the US troops operating style in Vietnam was reminiscent of Ghendis Khan.

  7. Joe says:

    Yeah, Kerry hates the military so much he friggin’ enlisted in it during a time of war. I guess he served his country then because he was going through a period of self-loathing.

    As far Vietnam…we did do some bad things there, I’m very sorry to say. Not all troops…probably no even an majority. But, there were some who did commit crimes, such as My Lai.

    The only spinning on this seems to come from neo-cons who are looking to score some cheap political points and try to put their own scandals behind them.

  8. Kateland says:

    Joe, take the mote out of your own eye first before you accuse others of spinning.

    Kerry enlisted not because he had a love a military as much as he ran out of deferrals to avoid the draft. Stop trying to paint him as consummate military man.

    I distinctly recall he attempted to avoid the draft by wanting to study abroad but his application was turned down so he enlisted in the Navy rather than hitch up with the Army where the casualty figures were much higher for Lte.

    His refusal is on record. Check the dates from his refusal to his enlistment in the Navy.

    But this is a bit tiresome. Next you will be talking about his 3 purple bandaids and his silver star “with valor” (which has not ever existed in US military history) so let’s not go down that path as its really so 2004 of you.

    I am no Bush Fan, but John Kerry is an odious man.

  9. Joe says:

    If Kerry had truly wanted to get out of Vietnam he could have, But, unlike Bush, Cheney, Limbaugh, Wolfowitz, and others, he went and fought in Vietnam. The fucking fought in the war while the dickheads that run this country today sat it out.

    I love the way you try to discredit someone’s service awards simply because you don’t like them. But, keep spinning.

  10. Joe says:

    That should day “the fucking man fought in….”

  11. Steve B says:

    You know, as much as I might grudgingly not want to admit it, there is a certain logic to Joe’s post.


    Say what you will, but ol’ J. Kerry went. When you look at the people who do or die every day in Iraq, compared with the pasty-faced losers who “opt out” because they “don’t agree with the war”, well…

    Of course, you need to balance that against his actions AFTER his services as well, Joe. He stabbed some folks in the back, plain and simple.

    By the same token, I must give him the credit due a man of conscience. Though I vehemently disagree with his position on many things, he was at least willing to put his face and his name to what he believes.

    Not to say G.W. doesn’t, but hey.

    It took balls for Kerry to say what he said in front of of Congress. Whether or not it was a skein lies, I’m simply not qualified to judge.

    Please don’t start thinking I respect John Kerry, but I’m at least willing to give the Devil his his due.

  12. Joe says:

    Welcome to the darkside Steve-O! lol

    I agree with what you said. Kerry went, fought, and earned the right to speak out about the war. I have tried and tried to get an unbaised account of his testimony to Congress. But, most of what I have read follow one of the following:

    “Oh my god…Kerry is such a liar. He hates America and dances nude with Hanoi Jane!”


    “John Kerry mega-rules! American troops are animals! The Republicans are Nazis and want to kill poor people!!1!!eleventy!”

    It’s a shame that politics is not about the issues…only about who can spin the best.

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